So I got in a fight on an image board today (lol go me, I'm a winner at life). Needless to say the topic was stupid and the person I was arguing with was most likely a troll, but it did give me an opportunity to write up a little essay about why the assertion that Fred Phelps is a super secret liberal is baloney, so I've decided to commit it to the slightly less transient medium of Ye Olde Disused livejournal in the hopes that it may some day come in handy again.
Enjoy.
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Sorry, just gotta revisit this one. First off the idea that that article or indeed the entire wiki is trash because it claims Fred Phelps to be a conservative (which I'll get to in a moment) is ridiculous, in fact it's fallacious, you're simply poisoning the well.
Let's look at the context of the link I provided - was it a link intended to argue that Fred Phelps is a conservative? No it was a link to help illustrate the fact that I was uncertain whether another poster was attempting to employ satire, or if they were being serious, and for that purpose it certainly hits it's mark. Therefor insinuating that I am a retard because I link to that posts really reveals the sort of over-stretching indicative of extreme butthurt on your part.
Now, regarding the issue of Phelps' political alignment it's not difficult to see why exactly this may be difficult to pin down - the man and his flock are clearly insane and certainly any mainstream political movement would wish to disown them.
The thing is, however, that it's only Conservatives which really need to work hard to distance themselves from these guys - the church's whole premise is almost directly in line with modern American conservative ideology - fags suck and God says so, if we just listened to God more often the country would be better off. This fundamental premise places Phelps' church squarely into the contemporary conservative fold before we take a look at any of their still-crazier beliefs and activities. And it is because of those other activities that mainstream conservatism, hell even Fox News' own Sean Hanity, does their best to denounce and discredit the Phelpses, and really good for them for setting SOME standard of people too crazy and hateful to even be a part of Fox News conservatism, lord knows they've been severely deficient in such standards, especially lately.
Some conservatives, such as yourself, take the disowning of Phelps a little too far and attempt to go the extra mile and not only nullify him as a liability to your movement, but actually paint him as an albatross around American Liberalism's neck. This frankly is just a case of attempting to ram a square peg into a round hole - any link you might attempt to draw between Phelps and a "Leftist" ideology simply doesn't fit.
The Phelps gang express no major belief about social justice, redistribution of wealth, multicultural inclusion or really any other key tenant of contemporary American liberalism, and it is my observation that the only links conservatives are really able to draw between Phelps and any sort of "leftist" ideology is by associating them with the pantheon of largely mythical demons that conservative pundits like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hanity like to harp about on their shows. There is a perception that Phelps "hates America" (ohemgee, just like those filthy liberals), and this may well be the case, but again, this is not a liberal trait. Such pundits also still seem to be living in the 1960s, because when they see the Phelps flock picketing funeral for soldiers they take this to mean that, like their own out dated and largely simplistic caricatures of American liberals, Phelps must hate American soldiers (just like those durn hippies). They ignore, of course, the fact that in these soldier funeral protests the crazies of Phelps' gang do their damndest to somehow link soldier's deaths back to America's (mild) acceptance of gays and the fact that witch-hunts for homosexuals (which it seems they'd like to see) are against the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, not due to any sort of misguided anti-war sentiment that they are trying to take out on dead soldiers.
The most salient point I hear in any attempt to link Phelps to the political left (well left by American standards that is) is the fact that he once made a small contribution to Al Gore's democratic primary campaign in 1988. Conservatives bringing up this point, however, gloss over the fact that at the time Gore was opposing a piece of legislation proposing a "Gay bill of rights", so again, it was not Gore's later well known champion of climate change awareness which Phelps was supporting, but instead his anti-gay views, again hearkening back to the socially conservative nature of Phelps' organization.
In other words, sir, you are greatly mistaken, and if anyone behaves as though you are a ludicrous ass for proposing that Phelps is a "RAGING LEFTIE", hopefully you will now have a better understanding of why that is; because you are.